Regarding your statement below of 'invisible nested structure', being made of dark matter/bio-dark matter, I can somewhat relate to your proposal by pointing at what I call the center connector - the brass-wire-tube (or plexiglas) construction that I use to align and ~hold four rod magnets along the radii of a tetrahedron that I use in my magnetic tetrahedral analog math. Without some such structure or tensegrity the magnets would just collapse into a tight ground-state, non-3d pile. With it, the three dimensional (tetrahedral) structure persists.
The analogy of such an aligning structure, I believe, would or could or might extend ~down to the ~tetrahedral sp^3 hybridized molecular bonding level of organic molecules (see images -- https://magnetictetrahedra.com/images/phpshow.php?newGD&slides&2 ) wherein, potentially, in the storyline you propose, collections of bio-dark matter would or could be serving as like "center connectors" maintaining the flexible, within limits, mostly tetrahedral arrangements and inverting/reactive structures of the related (bio) atoms/collections.
I mean, potentially, as 'center connector', might be one way to visualize how ~light and ~dark matters might be ~working together potentially giving life its special properties. (Also, serving as some poetic account for: "...made in our image...")
I guess this proposed insertion of dark matter at that level might raise questions or issues, too, relating somewhat to quantum mechanics since QM calculations, I believe, presently calculate/predict the tetrahedral - sp^3 hybridized and similar types of adaptive structures also found empirically in, say, crystallography, etc., but supposedly just calculated from (assumed) properties of the "light-matter-only" regular chemistry atoms or their sub-atom particles and forces.
I suppose then, also, ~dark matter could or might or would have to take on some further types of structural coding roles that we (that is, mathematicians) presently and traditionally might visualize and think of as being "~purely mathematical structures" and/or related to logic, mathematical logic, etc. ...as well as giving some account for all the many instances of nested structured~duality found in, and making up, say, philosophies of mathematics, or in all the various philosophies in general, which seem to oscillate or partition between mental/mathematical and/or physical -- invisible and visible/sensible realms or fractions. The same might also give some account of Wigner's 'unreasonable effectiveness' of mathematics.
IF dark matter et. al., is or becomes a happening thing, then it seems it ought to be spread out in various places and niches and would have influences in key levels of organization and phenomena than just in the astrophysical expansion, or as Paul Werbos says, the noospheric level.
...Probably, as you have been trying to express for a few years...
Good luck!
Best regards,
Ralph Frost, Ph.D.
Changing the scientific paradigm.
https://magnetictetrahedra.com
---In jcs-online@yahoogroups.com,
[Ralph Frost]
“ Phillip, Your mention of magnetic influences having ~positive effects on people having depressed, bi-polar, or perhaps acutely paranoid schizophrenic impressions reminded me of thoughts I periodically have had about my own earlier experiences decades ago -- in close and consistent proximity with subtly changing and oscillating magnetic fields and changing patterns of magnetic fields…… I am not convinced, yet, that I should immediately pitch Frost-brand MagneticTetrahedra as a type of a cure for that type mental/emotional illness, but one day I might. It apparently is a good approximation of nested structured~duality and the underlying general principle and a good lead into seeing "consciousness" for what it is: nested structured coding closely coupled with energy collection/conservation”.
[Philip Benjamin]
Your experiences “in close and consistent proximity with subtly changing and oscillating magnetic fields and changing patterns of magnetic fields” should be taken seriously. There is a plethora of information from around the globe with Stanley Koren’s God-Helmet and similar studies, especially by neuropsychologist Michael Persinger et al in Canada. “Nested structured coding closely coupled with energy collection/conservation” is only a philosophical claim. What is nested structure made of, is a scientific question. If there is any such invisible structure, science today has no choice other than bio dark-matter with bio dark-matter chemistry.
The Freudian postulate of Id, Ego, Super Ego is also a nested structure—a triune nest. Probably he may have adapted the “spirit, soul, body” identified in the Tanya as “Nefesh Elokit, Nefesh HaBehamit and body” (http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/361897/jewish/The-Soul-and-the-Afterlife.htm). The soul enters the womb at the time of conception (Babylonian Talmud Berakhot 60b).
Weather it is The Talmud or the Tanya or the Tanakh or Tao or Puranas or Triveda or Koran if there is an invisible physical entity amenable to the rigors of scientific reasoning, that necessarily have to be made of bio dark-matter with its chemistry.
Best regards
Philip Benjamin
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Phillip,
Your mention of magnetic influences having ~positive effects on people having depressed, bi-polar, or perhaps acutely paranoid schizophrenic impressions reminded me of thoughts I periodically have had about my own earlier experiences decades ago -- in close and consistent proximity with subtly changing and oscillating magnetic fields and changing patterns of magnetic fields. I'm not convinced, yet, that I should immediately pitch Frost-brand MagneticTetrahedra as a type of a cure for that type mental/emotional illness, but one day I might. It apparently is a good approximation of nested structured~duality and the underlying general principle and a good lead into seeing "consciousness" for what it is: nested structured coding closely coupled with energy collection/conservation.
In such a "structural coding" storyline, the WHY, of being ~conscious of surroundings and of "self", and, even of "others", is pretty obvious. Sustaining, say, an internal ~6^n structurally coded representation of surroundings (in my trial theory, in the 10^20 water molecules per second forming in our aerobic respiration sites), where the structurally coded packets are also new, current hydrogen bonding packets which influence protein-folding and thus motility and expression, the "WHY" is to continue getting energy and materials so as to continue making moves on the gameboard, within the other levels of nested structured~duality. So-called "self-consciousness" sort of comes along automatically, within the physical and psychic boundaries of the apparatus that responds during the expressions which supply/conserve more energy flow and components for replacement parts -- so as to keep on bobbling along in the local solar fusion flux.
The close coupling of energy collection/conservation with the structurally coding of internal representation of surroundings allows the process to be synergistic and more or less a "no-brainer". One and all has or gets the internal representation, "for free" as it is a sidebar of the respiration reaction vibrationally responding with vibrations of the surroundings, at least for core, life-sustaining features of our "first person perspective".
Notice that what I am pointing at and calling the ~6^n internal analog language which is structurally coding packets of hydrogen bonding, serves the needs for a common 1pp language, reaching down among un-sub-conscious and the emotions.
Downstream from this, when packets unfurl and influence protein-folding sequencing, we get "words" which is the main language of our third-person perspective (3pp). (Main, but also along with non-verbal signalling, but, like here, just with words.) Thus, if we don't have the words, we don't have a sharable 3pp conversation or understanding.
Similarly, in the present challenge or observing and making up the terms and communicating the underlying principle of nested structured~duality, so as to change the dominant scientific paradigm.
Our 1pp language and core rationality, I think, and perhaps you can agree, is all geared in with the ~analog, chemical-energetic stoichiometry. I consider this analog language as the primary system and the wordful one as a less complete, secondary language. It seems to me that this characterization also fits for mathematical symbols and expressions since large fractions of their nuance arises and replicates only through the secondary wordful 3pp language. The math symbolism, of course, is closer to the primary structural coding language, but still displaced from or more incomplete in comparison to it.
Over in the Hameroff-Penrose model, maybe, if you imagine it right, one may imagine hearing a low- and/or high-pitched sound like the sound one hears/feels pressing an ear against a wooden electric wire support pole during a strong winter wind. That trial theory at the lower QM level of organization, may be more like for an antenna or vibrational signal collector, but, I think I agree with you, how is that rather fixed structural support doing any relevant ciphering? Or "why-how" does some of the quantum mechanical vibrations separate from signalling to continue to manifest itself as microtubules and also do relevant service in remembering the taste of Grammie's chocolate cake or discerning that structurally coded stacks of water molecules also are what others call quales?
Perhaps there is the quantum hum or vibration in the microtubules, but what or how is that coupled to, and with what?
The relevant question may be, "What is the connection or coupling with, or path to energy collection/conservation?"
Maybe Roger or Stuart will supply their answer to this question here in this thread...
Best regards,
Ralph Frost, Ph.D.
Changing the scientific paradigm.
https://magnetictetrahedra.com
---In jcs-online@yahoogroups.com,
[Philip Benjamin]
The experiments mentioned below may solve some of the century old mysteries about the chemical effects of analgesics apropos to clinically defined “unconsciousness”, but have nothing to say about WHY anything or anybody be “CONSCIOUS” of itself or oneself or of anything else. What is oneself, to begin with? One’s Self? That is still more than a mystery!! Hoe can “Self” be something morphed in the fermions in the microtubules?
The subunits tubulins of microtubules are proteins. They are components of the cytoskeleton, found throughout the cytoplasm everywhere in any given living system, not specific to brain. In the final analysis microtubules are made of electrons, protons and neutrons. What is it that “quantum vibrate” in the microtubules? Are they electrons? Protons? Neutrons? The nucleus of an atom? Each tubulin? The entire microtubule?
The beneficial effects of mechanically targeting microtubules with external vibrations, are also reported with “magnetic fields” also. Preliminary findings suggest that bipolar-disorder patients moods improve immediately after they undergo a specific MRI procedure (externally imposed strong magnetic field). https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/could-certain-frequencies/
Weak magnetic fields also can influence brain activity (The God Helmet experiments. http://www.innerworlds.50megs.com/God_Helmet_field_strengths.htm
Suggestions about the existence of a “mystical” consciousness, derived from an experiment are not inferences or evidences. A more rational approach to explain the reality of the archetypal “Self” will be to recognize “Self” as a real invisible (dark) “body” identical/eidetic to the real visible (light) body. The only candidate available today for science is bio dark-matter with its bio dark-matter chemistry (bio dark-matter chemical bonds will be similar to their light matter counterparts, i.e. spin governed stable Duet, Octet Configurations of Particles). Resonance between the light and dark bodies will be the basis of self-awareness. Resonance is rudimentary recognition.
How can a sequence of collapses of mathematical wave-functions of some unknown dead particles in the tubulins (dead proteins) of microtubules account for the experientially evidential reality of the existence of a “Self” within every clinically conscious or unconscious (NDE/OBE) human being?
Best regards
Philip Benjamin
CC. BrainSci. God Helmet;
These are the experimental observations suggested to corroborate derivation of Consciousness from deeper micro scale activities inside “microtubules” (brain neurons):
1. Recent observations of warm temperature quantum vibrations in "microtubules" inside brain neurons (Anirban Bandyopadhyay, PhD et al). Stuart Hameroff and Sir Roger Penrose suggest that EEG rhythms (brain waves) also derive from microtubule vibrations
2. Work from the laboratory of Roderick G. Eckenhoff, MD, at the University of Pennsylvania, suggests that anaesthetics act via microtubules in brain neurons to selectively erase consciousness while maintaining non-conscious brain activities
3. Megahertz microtubule quantum vibrations appear to slow down EEG "beat frequencies."
4. Clinical trials of brief mechanical brain stimulation aimed at microtubule resonances with megahertz transcranial ultrasound are reported to have produced subjective improvements in mood.
5. A claim is made that such stimulation may prove useful to treat mental, neurological, and cognitive conditions including Alzheimer's disease and brain injury in the future.
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