Hi, Chris,
The model I am advocating
currently is that thoughts are structurally coded in ordered water. You
and I are about 60% water and in respiring about 160 kg of oxygen per
year so our respiration sites (within neurons, and other cells) are
generating 10^20 water molecules per second. Water's structured~duality
(two plus and two minus vertices in a tetrahedral-like shape) could
support 6^n or 12^n structural coding forming internal representations
of the vibrations of our surroundings. Such units would also be
hydrogen bonding packets that are influential in protein-folding, etc.,
(expression). Yes, it may well be speculative, but the model is
visualizable, non-classical and somewhat rational enough, and storing
such immediate ('now') stacks of ordered water in bound water layers of
newly forming protein matrices provides a way to get more persistent
(aka, longer-term) structural coding or memory. It seems to be a
somewhat interesting model and trial theory.
More below..
On
Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 11:45 AM 'Chris Nunn' via Scientific Basis of
Consciousness
wrote:
Hi Ralph,
But what are
‘thoughts’ made of? Dynamic ‘codings’ of some sort for sure. And I agree
that ordered water is likely to play a part in these, perhaps in the
context of ‘hydro-ionic’ waves.
[rf] Perhaps. I
think there are quite a few options for various kinds of structural
coding. Plus, there are the various levels of un-sub-conscious as well
as ~feelings/emotions, sensing, imagination, etc.. I have happened
onto the 6^n or 12^n structural coding as an internal analog 'language'
which is an upgrade of the familiar 2^n binary coding. Getting
associative coding into such hydrogen-bonding packets going is just a
step or two away from sequences of protein-foldings sounding a lot like
speech and/or the expressions of useful, organizing sounds and words.
Something,
however, is needed to provide continuity for the codings. As I
mentioned to John, any purely classical account runs into trouble
because its ‘moments’ are infinitesimal and its metric notional. But
real things need to exist in a temporal dimension as well as the three
spatial dimensions. As a consequence any purely classical account of
continuity probably has to follow Julian Barbour in proclaiming the
“death of time” and a universe lacking any real time, but only a path
through an unimaginably vast array of relative state spaces. It’s
another extravagant picture, not unlike a timeless version of the
currently popular multiverse.
[rf] My impression
for a few years has been: "experience exists; time does not" -- or
that ~time and the entire many flavors of temporal notions are an
artifact of our structural coding. It's difficult to describe and
clarify because the notions of time (and space) are paradigmatic in the
dominant model. In NSD, reality is nested structured~duality --
nested fields within nested fields -- where, let's say we are
structurally coding "thoughts" or "memories" as nested fields within
nested fields. Those so-called 'moments' are dependent upon
_completing_ increments of structural coding which we might visualize
as building a coded stack of 12 or 18 water molecules, or perhaps
packing a number of those stacks within a newly forming bound water
layer. You and I would likely still say, "yeah, but those processes
take time", and yes, so it appears. But add some catalyzing enzymes and
the times the process takes lessens. So the 'moments' still centrally
depend on "completing the structural coding of a recognizable,
recallable ~thought".
Such bio-molecular
structural coding is minimally non-classical and not infinitesimal. Yet,
notice that what matters is that energy-collection-related structural
coding does get packed, say, into bound water layers such that as the
relevant (perhaps even caustive) vibratory pattern repeats, the ~echo
reactivates the stored structural coding to spawn a useful or effective
adaptive response or expression. You and I may consider these
repeating events occurring "in time", and certainly the Earth turns
daily as it obits the Sun, but the fact still is: experience (structural
coding) exists; time does not".
Something
temporally holistic is needed to escape extravagance of this sort,
which does imply incremental increase and something memory-like, but
it’s not going to be a spatially definable ‘something’.
Best
Chris
[rf]
Consider just the on-going mostly resonant structural coding of nested
fields within nested fields as a feature of reality being nested
structured~duality.